Sometimes the Red Army can be late to the fight, but then show up 6 or 7 weeks later. Some might celebrate, while others are devastated. Point being, the clump of cells is extremely vulnerable to dying off in the first number of weeks, and I don't think it's "intellectually terrible" to question the point at which "life begins".
You don't seem to think it's the egg, but that thing is still packed with tons of DNA and stopping the swimmer from getting to it is still playing god to one extent or another. Saying either it's "life" at the moment of conception, or not life until a human is actually outside the womb, is too absolutist for my taste.[/i]
Derek the quote thingy is broken ... AGAIN!!!!!!!
@YellowSnow ,
As a pretend philosophizer, let me tell you that viability is amongst the worst and easiest of the abortion arguments to blow up. Unless you think it's ok to kill people who likely have not much time left. Why do you hate Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patients?
Tad poles and red river flowing eggs are easy lines to draw. They happen all the time and nobody cares because they shouldn't. Neither one is anything until it's something.
I didn't say "outside the womb." Don't twist. That's what makes this a hard (it's hard) debate.
Proceed.
I've never taken a course in philosophy and therefore I'm not going to win a pretend philosophy argument with you. Politics should be the art of the possible, and I for one wish both extremes of this debate could agree to meet somewhere in the middle.[/b]
first, I see what you did there.
yeah, sure. but when you are talking about drawing the lines based on "personhood", as it were, it's a heavy issue and shouldn't be left to "state rights" (hello Antonin - is it hot down there?) or popular opinion (sledog and salemkewg are part of and in 'popular opinion' fyi).
it's one of those things like when you argue that Plato's pilot (or philosopher king, to be more precise) should land the plane; not the guy the other passengers vote to do it.
