A Q for the bored

[MikeDamone]

I haven't totally thought through how I feel about this. In general, I think yes, the molester should be held accountable and be punished. But knowing the reason he became a molester in the first place was his inability to deal with the trauma of being a victim, I think makes me less to jump on the typical profiles in courage response to shoot him or say that he should be put in prison and chained to a wall so he can be raped daily like you read so many people say and post in comments sections.

The real question is once someone is a victim, what could be done to prevent them from being a perpetrator?

I just find it ironic how the victim garners so much sympathy, but if that same victim turn perpetrator, so many advocate the most cruel and violent punishment.

It seems most often people just react to what's in front of them at the moment and then just go about their business without much thought. It's the outrage of the day mentality combined with short attention spans that have taken over. That and if you come express outrage over something on the surface, many people are doing it as a way to create an image of themselves on how they are seen by others...they really don't give a fuck about the issue as much as they are expressing. If you followed up with them 2 months later, you would find that other than being pissed off for 10 minutes at the time, they haven't lifted a finger to help solve the problem.

 

[DerekJohnson]

I'm sure there might be some that have the sentiment "poor kid never stood a chance." Maybe even a grain of truth to it.....but you're older now and you know it's wrong.

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?

What should be done with molestation victims?

I found this in a study

"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full

sounds like some university needs a grant so they can study the poasters of Hardcore Husky.

 

[Kaepsknee]

I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?

I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?

I agree that most molesters including the older Sandusky were molested themselves but I don't have sympathy for molesters. They need to learn how to exhibit self control over their urges, no matter how strong. Most if not all molesters know what they are doing is wrong and feel guilt to borderline suicidal after committing the horrific acts.

After all Many of us non-molesters have about busted our waistbands when being around a hot treat whose 16 going on 25 and a little flirty. But we didn't act upon that urge because a) the potential 15-20 and b) It's just not right in our culture.

For a molester there is help for their urges. They just need to have the guts to face up to their condition and get the help.

 

[Swaye]

I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?

I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?

I agree that most molesters including the older Sandusky were molested themselves but I don't have sympathy for molesters. They need to learn how to exhibit self control over their urges, no matter how strong. Most if not all molesters know what they are doing is wrong and feel guilt to borderline suicidal after committing the horrific acts.

After all Many of us non-molesters have about busted our waistbands when being around a hot treat whose 16 going on 25 and a little flirty. But we didn't act upon that urge because a) the potential 15-20 and b) It's just not right in our culture.

For a molester there is help for their urges. They just need to have the guts to face up to their condition and get the help.

16 is legal is some States. Just sayin'.

 

[BennyBeaver]

Damone for Governor.

 

[AZDuck]

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Simple solution. Amputate the penis and nutsack after the first offense. Give them to someone who really needs some balls. Problem solved.

 

[Swaye]

Damone for Governor Emperor.

 

[PurpleThrobber]

Take this molestor shit to the Jesuit board where it belongs.
http://www.guboards.spokesmanreview.com/

 

[dflea]

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.

I don't need to do anything because I'm not a judge. The explaining part is for the sentencing phase of the trial. Let's say the perp gets half the sentence he otherwise would is he can produce evidence he was abused.

Explain it all you want, I don't give a fuck. People get handed baggage every day of their lives - some of it is heavy, some isn't. Whether you carry that baggage with you is your choice. The fact that the majority of those abused DO NOT become abusers proves it. It's just like kids whose parents knocked the crap out of them are more likely to do the same to their kids...........because they're still packing the baggage from their childhood. Well, there are plenty of parents who were knocked around that DON'T knock their kids around. They are parents that set that bag down and did what they knew was right, not what was done to them.

It's like I said...............every motherfucker has an excuse. Just ask them. If you had a kid that was abused, I think your sympathy meter might swing the other way, regardless if the abuser was abused.

wtf? I must be half-buzzed to type all that....................

 

[CuntWaffle]

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?

What should be done with molestation victims?

I found this in a study

"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full

I blame guns.

 

[Boobs_Or_Harv]

I haven't totally thought through how I feel about this. In general, I think yes, the molester should be held accountable and be punished. But knowing the reason he became a molester in the first place was his inability to deal with the trauma of being a victim, I think makes me less to jump on the typical profiles in courage response to shoot him or say that he should be put in prison and chained to a wall so he can be raped daily like you read so many people say and post in comments sections.

The real question is once someone is a victim, what could be done to prevent them from being a perpetrator?

I just find it ironic how the victim garners so much sympathy, but if that same victim turn perpetrator, so many advocate the most cruel and violent punishment.

It seems most often people just react to what's in front of them at the moment and then just go about their business without much thought. It's the outrage of the day mentality combined with short attention spans that have taken over. That and if you come express outrage over something on the surface, many people are doing it as a way to create an image of themselves on how they are seen by others...they really don't give a fuck about the issue as much as they are expressing. If you followed up with them 2 months later, you would find that other than being pissed off for 10 minutes at the time, they haven't lifted a finger to help solve the problem.

Hopefully since this was at the bottom of thread this post didn't go unnoticed. This topic I read yesterday and I had to think about it for a moment.

The problem most people have today is they think in terms of absolutes, black and white. They don't live in reality which is most murky and gray.

Sadly had a co-worker a few years back, nice guy. Everyone at the work loved him, well turns out he was going to Singapore and fucking young boys. We found all this out as he got caught with a young boy in the states. Apparently as a child he was molested himself and looking back hindsight 20/20 he was a little strange.

Honestly my feelings at the time were I felt for him that his soul was so destroyed during that process that he would inflict harm on others. I also hated him for what he had done and didn't look at him as a former victim anymore. Only as a predator.

To Damone's last paragraph the outrage of the day goes along with my post I just made about the constant 24-7 coverage. Look at how many were so fucking outraged about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman case. How many followed up on that story? how many even care anymore? I bet if you mentioned either's name as a sports player nobody could tell the fucking difference.

Donald Sterling was another outrage of the week that everyone had to put in their two cents to illustrate that they aren't racist! That process is still going but nobody gives a fuck anymore.

It's a sad society we are living in and it's only getting worse. I feel like with more technology we are gaining as a society we are becoming more simple minded. Too busy sitting on our smart phones, too busy caring more about Kim Kardashian or whatever fucking reality star than actual current events. We are exposed to all this information yet we limit ourselves to being so simple minded.

In short gotta agree with the old boozer Damone and I hate people too.

 

[dnc]

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

All of a sudden the rate of pedos who were molestered as children just shot up to 100%.

It's hard enough to discern whether sexual abuse has happened recently, it's damn near impossible to go back 40 or 50 years and determine whether someone was molestered or is just playing the molestered card for a lighter sentence.

Not to mention, the penalties for molestation are already far too soft as it is. I just can't see this being any real benefit in our current system, especially with what you've noted about recidivism.

 

[Swaye]

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

All of a sudden the rate of pedos who were molestered as children just shot up to 100%.

It's hard enough to discern whether sexual abuse has happened recently, it's damn near impossible to go back 40 or 50 years and determine whether someone was molestered or is just playing the molestered card for a lighter sentence.

Not to mention, the penalties for molestation are already far too soft as it is. I just can't see this being any real benefit in our current system, especially with what you've noted about recidivism.

With child predators three strikes in one too many. Try to rehabilitate them once, during their LONG prison sentence, and if they slip up again, life without parole. Done with it. No more chance of them playing hide the weenie with pre-teens. Fuckasses.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

I haven't totally thought through how I feel about this. In general, I think yes, the molester should be held accountable and be punished. But knowing the reason he became a molester in the first place was his inability to deal with the trauma of being a victim, I think makes me less to jump on the typical profiles in courage response to shoot him or say that he should be put in prison and chained to a wall so he can be raped daily like you read so many people say and post in comments sections.

The real question is once someone is a victim, what could be done to prevent them from being a perpetrator?

I just find it ironic how the victim garners so much sympathy, but if that same victim turn perpetrator, so many advocate the most cruel and violent punishment.

It seems most often people just react to what's in front of them at the moment and then just go about their business without much thought. It's the outrage of the day mentality combined with short attention spans that have taken over. That and if you come express outrage over something on the surface, many people are doing it as a way to create an image of themselves on how they are seen by others...they really don't give a fuck about the issue as much as they are expressing. If you followed up with them 2 months later, you would find that other than being pissed off for 10 minutes at the time, they haven't lifted a finger to help solve the problem.

This. I recently was involved in a situation where a 65 year old guy walking in a condo parking lot, misjudged his step, stumbled and fell. He cut his head open and fucked up his knee. No one saw him fall.

In front of the curb, there was a small puddle of water. When asked what happened to him, he clearly stated, I missed the step, stumbled and tripped. That's all.

A lady comes up and hears him and says, "he must have slipped in that puddle of water!" She proceeded to proclaim the puddle a danger and that the condo association needs to remedy the situation.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?

What should be done with molestation victims?

I found this in a study

"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full

I blame guns.

I blame Republicans.

 

[MikeDamone]

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.

I don't need to do anything because I'm not a judge. The explaining part is for the sentencing phase of the trial. Let's say the perp gets half the sentence he otherwise would is he can produce evidence he was abused.

Explain it all you want, I don't give a fuck. People get handed baggage every day of their lives - some of it is heavy, some isn't. Whether you carry that baggage with you is your choice. The fact that the majority of those abused DO NOT become abusers proves it. It's just like kids whose parents knocked the crap out of them are more likely to do the same to their kids...........because they're still packing the baggage from their childhood. Well, there are plenty of parents who were knocked around that DON'T knock their kids around. They are parents that set that bag down and did what they knew was right, not what was done to them.

It's like I said...............every motherfucker has an excuse. Just ask them. If you had a kid that was abused, I think your sympathy meter might swing the other way, regardless if the abuser was abused.

wtf? I must be half-buzzed to type all that....................

Speaking of baggage ...

If I've learned anything from being on these forums for 15 years or so it's you're one angry mother fucker.

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

All of a sudden the rate of pedos who were molestered as children just shot up to 100%.

It's hard enough to discern whether sexual abuse has happened recently, it's damn near impossible to go back 40 or 50 years and determine whether someone was molestered or is just playing the molestered card for a lighter sentence.

Not to mention, the penalties for molestation are already far too soft as it is. I just can't see this being any real benefit in our current system, especially with what you've noted about recidivism.

With child predators three strikes in one too many. Try to rehabilitate them once, during their LONG prison sentence, and if they slip up again, life without parole. Done with it. No more chance of them playing hide the weenie with pre-teens. Fuckasses.

What about women abusers? Any difference?

 

[Swaye]

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.

I don't need to do anything because I'm not a judge. The explaining part is for the sentencing phase of the trial. Let's say the perp gets half the sentence he otherwise would is he can produce evidence he was abused.

Explain it all you want, I don't give a fuck. People get handed baggage every day of their lives - some of it is heavy, some isn't. Whether you carry that baggage with you is your choice. The fact that the majority of those abused DO NOT become abusers proves it. It's just like kids whose parents knocked the crap out of them are more likely to do the same to their kids...........because they're still packing the baggage from their childhood. Well, there are plenty of parents who were knocked around that DON'T knock their kids around. They are parents that set that bag down and did what they knew was right, not what was done to them.

It's like I said...............every motherfucker has an excuse. Just ask them. If you had a kid that was abused, I think your sympathy meter might swing the other way, regardless if the abuser was abused.

wtf? I must be half-buzzed to type all that....................

Speaking of baggage ...

If I've learned anything from being on these forums for 15 years or so it's you're one angry mother fucker.

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

All of a sudden the rate of pedos who were molestered as children just shot up to 100%.

It's hard enough to discern whether sexual abuse has happened recently, it's damn near impossible to go back 40 or 50 years and determine whether someone was molestered or is just playing the molestered card for a lighter sentence.

Not to mention, the penalties for molestation are already far too soft as it is. I just can't see this being any real benefit in our current system, especially with what you've noted about recidivism.

With child predators three strikes in one too many. Try to rehabilitate them once, during their LONG prison sentence, and if they slip up again, life without parole. Done with it. No more chance of them playing hide the weenie with pre-teens. Fuckasses.

What about women abusers? Any difference?

Never compared the two mentally. I guess I feel child molesters are worse than women abusers. So maybe the abusers get three strikes. Who knows? But fuck the child molesters. Or something.

 

[sarktastic]

I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?

I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?

You never mentioned what political connection the "victim" or victim's family is part of. That's a key detail before we can fairly pass judgement on the question of public punishment/forgiveness of any potential victim/prep don'tcha think?

 

[MikeDamone]

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.

I don't need to do anything because I'm not a judge. The explaining part is for the sentencing phase of the trial. Let's say the perp gets half the sentence he otherwise would is he can produce evidence he was abused.

Explain it all you want, I don't give a fuck. People get handed baggage every day of their lives - some of it is heavy, some isn't. Whether you carry that baggage with you is your choice. The fact that the majority of those abused DO NOT become abusers proves it. It's just like kids whose parents knocked the crap out of them are more likely to do the same to their kids...........because they're still packing the baggage from their childhood. Well, there are plenty of parents who were knocked around that DON'T knock their kids around. They are parents that set that bag down and did what they knew was right, not what was done to them.

It's like I said...............every motherfucker has an excuse. Just ask them. If you had a kid that was abused, I think your sympathy meter might swing the other way, regardless if the abuser was abused.

wtf? I must be half-buzzed to type all that....................

Speaking of baggage ...

If I've learned anything from being on these forums for 15 years or so it's you're one angry mother fucker.

Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.

The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.

All of a sudden the rate of pedos who were molestered as children just shot up to 100%.

It's hard enough to discern whether sexual abuse has happened recently, it's damn near impossible to go back 40 or 50 years and determine whether someone was molestered or is just playing the molestered card for a lighter sentence.

Not to mention, the penalties for molestation are already far too soft as it is. I just can't see this being any real benefit in our current system, especially with what you've noted about recidivism.

With child predators three strikes in one too many. Try to rehabilitate them once, during their LONG prison sentence, and if they slip up again, life without parole. Done with it. No more chance of them playing hide the weenie with pre-teens. Fuckasses.

What about women abusers? Any difference?

Never compared the two mentally. I guess I feel child molesters are worse than women abusers. So maybe the abusers get three strikes. Who knows? But fuck the child molesters. Or something.

I meant women child molesters. Any difference in how they should be punished vs. male? Should a 25 female abuser of a 13 year old boy get the same punishment as a 40 year old male abuser of a 13 year old boy? What if the victim is a 15 year old girl? Or a 15 year old boy? Does it matter?

I say no.. Any adult having sex with someone under the age of consent in the state should get be treated the same way regardless of the age or gender or them or their victim?

I say guys who wish a 25 year old female teacher would have had sex with them when they were 14 don't have any idea the long term damage that can be caused by that. Nice fantasy, but in reality not so much...