A couple of questions regarding the fischer of men . . . . . . . .

Bob_C said:
Multi year rebuilding these days isn’t really a thing.
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I think for the team itself it isn't. For the program and institution to care it probably is.

Why we don't care after 2023 I cannot figure out for the life of me. How that didn't become the standard is baffling.

So he left. Whatever. FTG. Go figure out how to do better than him. Instead we are poor pitiful Washington.
 
Why does it have to be easy? Nothing worthwhile is easy

Keeping fisch when we all know next season will suck is just a waste of a year

you wont find #3 that way
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, if it's so easy, who else did it besides DeBoer or Cignetti?

And I agree that the answer is always to spend more. A lot of programs spend money, but don't get the results.

So far there are only really two huge outliers in the portal era.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, if it's so easy, who else did it besides DeBoer or Cignetti?

And I agree that the answer is always to spend more. A lot of programs spend money, but don't get the results.

So far there are only really two huge outliers in the portal era.
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We are conflating things here a bit. Once the portal actually started and players started making big money, Ole Miss leveled up purely with money. So did Texas Tech, Oregon and Miami. You can rebuild or level up when you put the money on the field.
 
administrator said:
Jennifer Cohen was hailed far and wide as a great fundraiser. That proved untrue.

Pat Chun arrived on Montlake with the reputation as being a great fundraiser.

I'm not getting the sense much has changed.
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Don’t forget she did her best fundraising on her back.
 
Bob_C said:
We are conflating things here a bit. Once the portal actually started and players started making big money, Ole Miss leveled up purely with money. So did Texas Tech, Oregon and Miami. You can rebuild or level up when you put the money on the field.
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Oregon was going to compete at a high level with Lanning with or without the portal.

Texas Tech benefits from being in the shitty Big 12 more than anything.

Miami and Ole Miss did level up. But they already had really solid coaches.
 
The reality is that UW needs to make some pretty key talent upgrades this offseason via the portal just to stay at the level they currently are.

If anything, UW’s talent level is a downgrade at the moment with no signs of positive momentum in sight.

On top of that, you’ve got a head coach and QB with questionable commitment to the program.

This is a team headed for another bowl before bowl season next fall. If that.
 
Yep. There was more talent leaving last year than people wanted to admit. At least 5 will get drafted for sure, probably more like 6-7 in total. We haven’t replaced those guys at this point through the portal. This team isn’t sniffing the playoffs and will be lucky to win 8 games. Cook it.
 
TheHB said:
The reality is that UW needs to make some pretty key talent upgrades this offseason via the portal just to stay at the level they currently are.

If anything, UW’s talent level is a downgrade at the moment with no signs of positive momentum in sight.

On top of that, you’ve got a head coach and QB with questionable commitment to the program.

This is a team headed for another bowl before bowl season next fall. If that.
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I am about ready to give up on Fisch even replacing the talent lost thru the portal (forget about graduation). Thankfully, the losses will stop in a couple of days but by then I fear finding an overlooked gem or eight will be nearly impossible.

And, yes, Jedd is probably looking to add only 4-5 more. Tops. Still think we need MINIMUM 2 DL, 1 edge, one starting WR and maybe one proven depth piece on the OL.

I feel like I am poking a dead body with a stick. C'mon man, do something.
 
The predecessor to this board was founded in 2007 or 2008 on the guiding principle that it didn’t take four years to see if a coach was good. It really only took two. We were right then and we are right now when we say it’s only one now with the portal. And in reality it’s really by the end of September year one.
 
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I think it still is. The difference being that there are now outliers like DeBoer at UW and Cignetti at Indiana that can perform a lightning strike complete revamp of a team.

Other than those guys, who has done that?

Maybe Elko at aTm, but that took a couple years and this season ended with a whimper.
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Elko at TAMU? THAT is your idea of a complete rebuild in 2 years?

Washington wasn't a complete rebuild when DeBoer stepped in. Jimmy Lake was just that bad. NFL draft picks alone exposed Jimmy as one of the worst coaches in P5-P4 history.

But TAMU sure as hell wasn't a complete rebuild for Elko. It was a massively underachieving program, plain and simple.

Elko, and coaches preceding, had access to top 10, maybe top 5, resources. Top 10 classes every year. A fucking cult of gay zombies who show up even if you piss in their cereal.
 
flatus said:
Elko at TAMU? THAT is your idea of a complete rebuild in 2 years?

Washington wasn't a complete rebuild when DeBoer stepped in. Jimmy Lake was just that bad. NFL draft picks alone exposed Jimmy as one of the worst coaches in P5-P4 history.

But TAMU sure as hell wasn't a complete rebuild for Elko. It was a massively underachieving program, plain and simple.

Elko, and coaches preceding, had access to top 10, maybe top 5, resources. Top 10 classes every year. A fucking cult of gay zombies who show up even if you piss in their cereal.
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Youre further proving my point that DeBoer and Cignetti are it. Elko was me thinking of a possible 3rd, but there isnt any.

Yes UW had talen on paper, but 11-2 and 14-1 takes a transcendent coach and QB.
 
Bob_C said:
The predecessor to this board was founded in 2007 or 2008 on the guiding principle that it didn’t take four years to see if a coach was good. It really only took two. We were right then and we are right now when we say it’s only one now with the portal. And in reality it’s really by the end of September year one.
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You're speeding up the timeframe by a year. It was always 3 years. People were restless with Peterlips but he popped in year 3.
 
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Agreed. UW is a tier 2 program in the B1G and Minnesota is tier 3.

Everyone here wants UW to be tier 1.
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I was thinking more to the future with UW and Minnesota. Don't have high hopes here. I don't think UW and Minnesota are at all comparable in the recent past. There also isn't a good other program to compare UW to. Maybe Michigan but they aren't nearly at the historical level of that program and Michigan appears to care and have funding.

DeBoer didn't have to rebuild. He inherited a team that took an all-time bad coach who took a team that should have been 8-4 at worst and somehow went 4-8. His offense had two rookie starting NFL OTs, 5 NFL WRs, 2 NFL TEs and some decent talent on defense that were on their third years at least of college.

Rebuilding now simply seems like if you're willing to spend psychotic amounts of money. Which sucks and who cares.
 
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, if it's so easy, who else did it besides DeBoer or Cignetti?

And I agree that the answer is always to spend more. A lot of programs spend money, but don't get the results.

So far there are only really two huge outliers in the portal era.
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Did you not see the graphic that showed how many portal transfers were starters on each of the final 4 CFP teams? I believe Oregon had the fewest, and even they had 10.
 
WoolleyDoog said:
I was thinking more to the future with UW and Minnesota. Don't have high hopes here. I don't think UW and Minnesota are at all comparable in the recent past. There also isn't a good other program to compare UW to. Maybe Michigan but they aren't nearly at the historical level of that program and Michigan appears to care and have funding.

DeBoer didn't have to rebuild. He inherited a team that took an all-time bad coach who took a team that should have been 8-4 at worst and somehow went 4-8. His offense had two rookie starting NFL OTs, 5 NFL WRs, 2 NFL TEs and some decent talent on defense that were on their third years at least of college.

Rebuilding now simply seems like if you're willing to spend psychotic amounts of money. Which sucks and who cares.
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Washington is not on Michigan's level, but it is a much closer comparison than Minnesota.

Both teams made the four team playoffs twice, UW losing a close semi final and natty, Michigan getting ass fucked by TCU and then cheating for a natty.

UW has a lot of resources, way more than Minnesota, but not as much as Michigan. Hell, we are paying a QB 4 million a year to go 9-4 and beat nobody that is elite. Minnesota is definitely not doing that. They dont really do much of anything.

Washington needs to spend more and get a seat at the tier 1 table, no doubt about that.
 
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