Tuli and Gaines

[theknowledge]

Just some things I think about when I'm in the shower or right before I fall asleep. You know, while I masturbate.

If we are lucky enough to score the commitment of Tuli this next week the DL room goes from a position of "meh" to a position of optimism. Greg Gaines helped to make this all possible by coming back for his fifth year. With his decision to return we may have enough depth to redshirt both Taki and Tuli. GG as a redshirt freshman was a revelation after a year of technique building and Rhino Cum and I would expect the same from the Twin T's. Barring injuries we could go with a rotation of GG, Levi, JJ, RBowman, Bronson and JP next year. Would that be elite/ideal? No. Would the Twin T's help talent and depth next year? Yes, absolutely. But I feel that with our last year of Browning running the show you bite the bullet, stock pile your talent, take your 9-11 win year and prepare for a bright future with the winner of our QB competition in 2019.

 

[theknowledge]

The fact that a 9-11 win year is your throw away because all things considered Jake Browning sucks makes me hard.

Pete FUCKS. I love him.

 

[insinceredawg]

With the new redshirt rules, we could roid them up for the first 2/3 of the season and then unleash the TTs for the final stretch of the season (Stanford, sit OSU game if we're going to win the north, Apple Cup, p12 championship, bowl game) and still keep their 4 years of eligibility.

 

[Doogles]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Benning Potoaae inside more too.

 

[HoustonHusky]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

 

[UWhuskytskeet]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready[/b] because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

That's where the potential redshirt rules could be a lifesaver. Would make the early season scrimmages interesting too; would love to watch the freshman eat North Dakota in the second half.

 

[BaldwinIV]

 

[dnc]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

Taimani is almost a guaranteed redshirt. Kid doesn't know the position well. We have to get him rhino cummed up and work on his technique.

I'm guessing Tuli would play but if we had a fortunate year injury wise I could see him redshirting too.

 

[HoustonHusky]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

Taimani is almost a guaranteed redshirt. Kid doesn't know the position well. We have to get him rhino cummed up and work on his technique.

I'm guessing Tuli would play but if we had a fortunate year injury wise I could see him redshirting too.

So putting him on the scout team vs. the 2/3 deeps is going to get him ready to be a possible starter/heavy contributor in 2019? I'd say its exactly the opposite...all the more reason he should play next year and get as much PT as possible when we can afford to play him (i.e. blowouts, etc).

 

[dnc]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

Taimani is almost a guaranteed redshirt. Kid doesn't know the position well. We have to get him rhino cummed up and work on his technique.

I'm guessing Tuli would play but if we had a fortunate year injury wise I could see him redshirting too.

So putting him on the scout team vs. the 2/3 deeps is going to get him ready to be a possible starter/heavy contributor in 2019? I'd say its exactly the opposite...all the more reason he should play next year and get as much PT as possible when we can afford to play him (i.e. blowouts, etc).

He's not going to be a starter in 2019 unless we whiff on Tuli and maybe not then (and I don't think that's happening anyway).

With Tuli, best case scenario for Taimani is he's on the Levi path. Redshirt year, solid contributor as a RS Frosh, major contributor/possible starter as RS Soph.

If you're expecting him to be a starter by 2019 I think you're going to be disappointed. If he is a starter in 2019 you're going to be very disappointed. He's super raw for the position.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

Taimani is almost a guaranteed redshirt. Kid doesn't know the position well. We have to get him rhino cummed up and work on his technique.

I'm guessing Tuli would play but if we had a fortunate year injury wise I could see him redshirting too.

So putting him on the scout team vs. the 2/3 deeps is going to get him ready to be a possible starter/heavy contributor in 2019? I'd say its exactly the opposite...all the more reason he should play next year and get as much PT as possible when we can afford to play him (i.e. blowouts, etc).

He's not going to be a starter in 2019 unless we whiff on Tuli and maybe not then (and I don't think that's happening anyway).

With Tuli, best case scenario for Taimani is he's on the Levi path. Redshirt year, solid contributor as a RS Frosh, major contributor/possible starter as RS Soph.

If you're expecting him to be a starter by 2019 I think you're going to be disappointed. If he is a starter in 2019 you're going to be very disappointed. He's super raw for the position.

Agree. 2019 might have a steep learning curve and we probably aren't going to see the dominance we are used to but the depth moving forward looks great(if we land Tuli at least good without).

 

[dnc]

Bottom line we really need a guy like Bronson to become a major contributor or else we'll need to take a JUCO next year.

This is why Tremblay would have been a perfect fit. Gaines coming back basically bought us one more year of solid DL depth and shrunk the scary window from two years to one, but 2019 is still going to be scary at DL unless Bronson is legit or we can find a JUCO who can play right away.

2020 and beyond look very good.

 

[FremontTroll]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

There is no way Levi is leaving after 2018. He isn't even going to be a starter.

I think you're overrating the significance of scrimmage mop-up experience especially for DT/NT. More important is getting them physically ready. Mentally it is the least complicated position on the field.

 

[HoustonHusky]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

There is no way Levi is leaving after 2018. He isn't even going to be a starter.

I think you're overrating the significance of scrimmage mop-up experience especially for DT/NT. More important is getting them physically ready. Mentally it is the least complicated position on the field.

Who's starting next to Gaines then? Can't find the snap count played but Levi had more tackles than Johnson last year...

The mop up is only a small part of it...its the practice repetitions when you are in the 2-deeps that makes the biggest difference. Its why if you have somebody you are going to be counting on (starting or first guy off the bench) in year 2 you would like to get them as much experience in year 1 as possible.

Either way it will be chinteresting...

 

[FKA_Mousecop]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

There is no way Levi is leaving after 2018. He isn't even going to be a starter.

I think you're overrating the significance of scrimmage mop-up experience especially for DT/NT. More important is getting them physically ready. Mentally it is the least complicated position on the field.

Who's starting next to Gaines then? Can't find the snap count played but Levi had more tackles than Johnson last year...

The mop up is only a small part of it...its the practice repetitions when you are in the 2-deeps that makes the biggest difference. Its why if you have somebody you are going to be counting on (starting or first guy off the bench) in year 2 you would like to get them as much experience in year 1 as possible.

Either way it will be chinteresting...

Honestly Levi and Jaylen will probably share snaps pretty evenly next to Gaines, and all three will be out there on occasion.

 

[dnc]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

There is no way Levi is leaving after 2018. He isn't even going to be a starter.

I think you're overrating the significance of scrimmage mop-up experience especially for DT/NT. More important is getting them physically ready. Mentally it is the least complicated position on the field.

Who's starting next to Gaines then? Can't find the snap count played but Levi had more tackles than Johnson last year...

The mop up is only a small part of it...its the practice repetitions when you are in the 2-deeps that makes the biggest difference. Its why if you have somebody you are going to be counting on (starting or first guy off the bench) in year 2 you would like to get them as much experience in year 1 as possible.

Either way it will be chinteresting...

Honestly Levi and Jaylen will probably share snaps pretty evenly next to Gaines, and all three will be out there on occasion.

Snaps will be fairly even between those three I would guess.

But no, Levi isn't leaving earlier than Vea did.

 

[ToddTurnerLIVES]

I would say GG, Levi and Jaylen Johnson, given the defensive scheme we play, is bordering on elite. Benning is essentially a d lineman as well.

More than enough talent at that position to think that the drop off in production with Vita leaving isn’t going to be huge.

 

[FremontTroll]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

There is no way Levi is leaving after 2018. He isn't even going to be a starter.

I think you're overrating the significance of scrimmage mop-up experience especially for DT/NT. More important is getting them physically ready. Mentally it is the least complicated position on the field.

Who's starting next to Gaines then? Can't find the snap count played but Levi had more tackles than Johnson last year...

The mop up is only a small part of it...its the practice repetitions when you are in the 2-deeps that makes the biggest difference. Its why if you have somebody you are going to be counting on (starting or first guy off the bench) in year 2 you would like to get them as much experience in year 1 as possible.

Either way it will be chinteresting...

Yeah, obv I was referring to Jaylen. Jaylen had slightly more production last year and the fact that he is bigger than Levi I think will mean he will get more of Vita's snaps.

But even if you say he is a co-starter same difference. And he will only be a rs-soph.

I suppose it's possible he leaves after 2019- who knows that is a long ways away.

 

[HoustonHusky]

No way they both redshirt...I'd bet both to play next year (assuming Tuli comes around).

After next year Gaines, Johnson, and Bowman are all gone which means you only have Levi, a couple of walk-ons/try-hards (hopefully Bronson becomes a contributor and maybe Potoa'e moves inside), and the guys coming in this year (along with any true freshman) for 2019. That is WAY too thin on the DL...you have to get at least Taimani and Tuli PT in 2018 just to get them ready because they will be heavily depended on the following year. Liu and Bynum will both need a couple years before they can be counted on.

And lets hope Levi doesn't go too nuts to the point he could go pro early...

2019 DL class could be crazy chinteresting as well.

Taimani is almost a guaranteed redshirt. Kid doesn't know the position well. We have to get him rhino cummed up and work on his technique.

I'm guessing Tuli would play but if we had a fortunate year injury wise I could see him redshirting too.

So putting him on the scout team vs. the 2/3 deeps is going to get him ready to be a possible starter/heavy contributor in 2019? I'd say its exactly the opposite...all the more reason he should play next year and get as much PT as possible when we can afford to play him (i.e. blowouts, etc).

He's not going to be a starter in 2019 unless we whiff on Tuli and maybe not then (and I don't think that's happening anyway).

With Tuli, best case scenario for Taimani is he's on the Levi path. Redshirt year, solid contributor as a RS Frosh, major contributor/possible starter as RS Soph.

If you're expecting him to be a starter by 2019 I think you're going to be disappointed. If he is a starter in 2019 you're going to be very disappointed. He's super raw for the position.

Sounds great, but the Levi path had Vita, Gaines, Johnson, Bowman, etc in front of him as he redshirted and then played as a RSFreshman. Literally zero chance anyone can go on that path the next two years with the shitty DL recruiting the last couple of years.

Go look at the depth after next year...on the DL ignoring this class it literally is only:
Levi (4*)
Josiah Bronson (walkon)
Jason Scrempos (medically retiring soon?)
Jared Pulu (walkon)

Maybe Potoa'e moves over, but that is still incredibly thin for a group we played 6 deep this year. Tuli and Taimani are both playing a ton in 2019 (unless you think Liu and Bynum are passing them up)...redshirting them knowing you are going to depend on them the next year just seems nuts to me.

Plus playing them allows you to balance your roster out classwise...if you redshirt them along with Liu and Bynum and you have 4 guys in the same class in basically the same position.

 

[jhfstyle24]

We have had basically one DL a year have a much better year than expected every year under Pete. I think Levi will be that guy this year.