Playoffs

[flatus]

Arw going to be a mess.
USC winning yesterday makes USC-Oregon a playoff elimination game now. I don't see a reasonable scenario where a 10-2 Duck squad gets in if we? lose to USC. Remotely possible if we only barely lose to UW and Michigan loses to Buck.
USC is in a good, but tenuous spot, at 10-2. They won't get in if Michigan beats Buck. Good thing that never happens.
The fallout from OU beating Bama is that it is all but certain 5 teams from the SEC are getting in. Two of these must happen to prevent 5 SEC 2 loss teams: Auburn beating Bama Mizzou beating OU, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt.
With 5 SEC, at most 3 B1G, that leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Big12, and Notre Dame.
ND is in.
So, that leaves only the ACC and Big12 champs. But what if Texas Tech loses to BYU in the Big12 championship? History says the committe won't penalize TT. But who gets bumped? Utah is also looming at #12-13 and is hot.
Add the fact that the ACC champ will be a horrible team (GT, UVa, or possibly SMU), and a few to several deserving teams are going to get the shaft.
The rage from fanbases such as Miami, which beat ND yet has zero realistic chance to get in, or any number of 2-loss teams outside the top 11, will be special.
Punch line: the rules will change next year.
Last year, Oregon got the raw sausage with seeding, so they changed it.
This year, too many legit teams will be left out so that JMU and a shitty ACC school can take 2 DEI spots such that the pressure to expand will take this to 16 teams.
If they automatic qualifiers remain, then I think 16 is the sweet spot under the current conference alignments.
Thank you for your attention.

 

[rodmansrage]

Punch line: the rules will change next year.

nailed it here, perfect for the suits to go back and say 'we left out too many GOOD teams, need to let them in,' bang, expanded playoffs.
we? will get mad, but will still watch.

 

[dtd]

I can't decide how I feel about automatic bids. On one hand they're bullshit, but the narrative that expanding the PO and giving the Power 2 more bids benefits those conferences is backwards. It limits them. The SEC could get 7 teams in this year if there weren't auto qualifiers from the welfare conferences, but they're the big bad because they want 5 out of 16 or whatever?

 

[flatus]

The current autoqualifier model blows, though. I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger problem last year, but the SEC only had three 1 or 2 loss teams.
I hope it goes to 16 while expanding auto qualifiers to a 4-4-2-2-1 model. This has at least one key benefit: scheduling tough nonconference opponents won't come with a huge risk like it does now.
Further, I really like the idea of the "Championship Weekend" being play-in games within conferences. Say, 1 vs 2 has no penalty (both are in), whereas 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 for the last 2 auto bids. It would be different in the ACC and Big 12, but same idea.
THAT would be meaningful football, compared to the worthless championship games we have now. Huge TV dollars, too. Everyone wins.

 

[dtd]

The current autoqualifier model blows, though. I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger problem last year, but the SEC only had three 1 or 2 loss teams.
I hope it goes to 16 while expanding auto qualifiers to a 4-4-2-2-1 model. This has at least one key benefit: scheduling tough nonconference opponents won't come with a huge risk like it does now.
Further, I really like the idea of the "Championship Weekend" being play-in games within conferences. Say, 1 vs 2 has no penalty (both are in), whereas 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 for the last 2 auto bids. It would be different in the ACC and Big 12, but same idea.
THAT would be meaningful football, compared to the worthless championship games we have now. Huge TV dollars, too. Everyone wins.

Yup, the current CCG model is also broken.

 

[graveyardDEADdawg]

There is no universe where a two loss Oregon gets left out of the playoffs. There is also no way the Big Ten doesn’t get 3 teams regardless of said chaos.

 

[dtd]

There is no universe where a two loss Oregon gets left out of the playoffs. There is also no way the Big Ten doesn’t get 3 teams regardless of said chaos.

Nah, you're way off. If the loss is to USC, Oregon is in deep shit. The national media is already lobbying for Texas if they beat aTm. Ole Miss jumped Oregon in the AP after they beat The Citadel and Oregon beat Iowa. Think about that. On the road, in November, in a storm, win over a (then) ranked opponent and they get jumped by a team that beat FCS opponent?
And now the only quality win Ole Miss has, OU, just beat Alabama. The SEC media machine is firing on all cylinders right now.
I know the AP doesn't matter anymore, but Oregon got jumped after TT(?) had a fucking BYE and Oregon won earlier this year. Again, think about that. I think we're at 3? times this year Oregon has won and dropped rank.
Ohio State
Indiana
aTm
Alabama
Georgia
Ole Miss
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
ACC
G6
Barring upsets, those are locks. Oregon/USC is a pseudo playoff game. If USC and Oregon are 10-2, Oregon is out, USC is in. Oregon's best win will be Iowa? UW? USC's best win will be Oregon.
Some of what I just said is wrong, I'm firing from the hip a little, but you get it.

 

[ntxduck]

I can't decide how I feel about automatic bids. On one hand they're bullshit, but the narrative that expanding the PO and giving the Power 2 more bids benefits those conferences is backwards. It limits them. The SEC could get 7 teams in this year if there weren't auto qualifiers from the welfare conferences, but they're the big bad because they want 5 out of 16 or whatever?

when they go to 16, would love to see them move to an in-season model to determine auto bids. you’d basically have a big ten/sec challenge week 2 of every season. You ladder the matchups based on where teams finished the year before. Top 15 play. Winning conference gets 5 auto bids, loser gets 4.

Acc/big 12 could do something similar for 3 and 2 auto bids.

would make one of the non-conference weeks must-watch tv. And be a fair way to determine who is deserving of how many auto bids, shifting every year.

 

[dtd]

I can't decide how I feel about automatic bids. On one hand they're bullshit, but the narrative that expanding the PO and giving the Power 2 more bids benefits those conferences is backwards. It limits them. The SEC could get 7 teams in this year if there weren't auto qualifiers from the welfare conferences, but they're the big bad because they want 5 out of 16 or whatever?

when they go to 16, would love to see them move to an in-season model to determine auto bids. you’d basically have a big ten/sec challenge week 2 of every season. You ladder the matchups based on where teams finished the year before. Top 15 play. Winning conference gets 5 auto bids, loser gets 4.

Acc/big 12 could do something similar for 3 and 2 auto bids.

would make one of the non-conference weeks must-watch tv. And be a fair way to determine who is deserving of how many auto bids, shifting every year.

Love it.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

Arw going to be a mess.
USC winning yesterday makes USC-Oregon a playoff elimination game now. I don't see a reasonable scenario where a 10-2 Duck squad gets in if we? lose to USC. Remotely possible if we only barely lose to UW and Michigan loses to Buck.
USC is in a good, but tenuous spot, at 10-2. They won't get in if Michigan beats Buck. Good thing that never happens.
The fallout from OU beating Bama is that it is all but certain 5 teams from the SEC are getting in. Two of these must happen to prevent 5 SEC 2 loss teams: Auburn beating Bama Mizzou beating OU, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt.
With 5 SEC, at most 3 B1G, that leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Big12, and Notre Dame.
ND is in.
So, that leaves only the ACC and Big12 champs. But what if Texas Tech loses to BYU in the Big12 championship? History says the committe won't penalize TT. But who gets bumped? Utah is also looming at #12-13 and is hot.
Add the fact that the ACC champ will be a horrible team (GT, UVa, or possibly SMU), and a few to several deserving teams are going to get the shaft.
The rage from fanbases such as Miami, which beat ND yet has zero realistic chance to get in, or any number of 2-loss teams outside the top 11, will be special.
Punch line: the rules will change next year.
Last year, Oregon got the raw sausage with seeding, so they changed it.
This year, too many legit teams will be left out so that JMU and a shitty ACC school can take 2 DEI spots such that the pressure to expand will take this to 16 teams.
If they automatic qualifiers remain, then I think 16 is the sweet spot under the current conference alignments.
Thank you for your attention.

OTOH, if the first round sucks as bad as it did last season, how can an argument for expansion be taken seriously? Does anybody actually want to watch #16 at #1 in the first round?

 

[flatus]

Arw going to be a mess.
USC winning yesterday makes USC-Oregon a playoff elimination game now. I don't see a reasonable scenario where a 10-2 Duck squad gets in if we? lose to USC. Remotely possible if we only barely lose to UW and Michigan loses to Buck.
USC is in a good, but tenuous spot, at 10-2. They won't get in if Michigan beats Buck. Good thing that never happens.
The fallout from OU beating Bama is that it is all but certain 5 teams from the SEC are getting in. Two of these must happen to prevent 5 SEC 2 loss teams: Auburn beating Bama Mizzou beating OU, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt.
With 5 SEC, at most 3 B1G, that leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Big12, and Notre Dame.
ND is in.
So, that leaves only the ACC and Big12 champs. But what if Texas Tech loses to BYU in the Big12 championship? History says the committe won't penalize TT. But who gets bumped? Utah is also looming at #12-13 and is hot.
Add the fact that the ACC champ will be a horrible team (GT, UVa, or possibly SMU), and a few to several deserving teams are going to get the shaft.
The rage from fanbases such as Miami, which beat ND yet has zero realistic chance to get in, or any number of 2-loss teams outside the top 11, will be special.
Punch line: the rules will change next year.
Last year, Oregon got the raw sausage with seeding, so they changed it.
This year, too many legit teams will be left out so that JMU and a shitty ACC school can take 2 DEI spots such that the pressure to expand will take this to 16 teams.
If they automatic qualifiers remain, then I think 16 is the sweet spot under the current conference alignments.
Thank you for your attention.

OTOH, if the first round sucks as bad as it did last season, how can an argument for expansion be taken seriously? Does anybody actually want to watch #16 at #1 in the first round?

I'd prefer that to watching tOSU, Bama, Georgia, and some random undefeated 4th team from the Big12 or ACC every year.

 

[haie]

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[haie]

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[graveyardDEADdawg]

Arw going to be a mess.
USC winning yesterday makes USC-Oregon a playoff elimination game now. I don't see a reasonable scenario where a 10-2 Duck squad gets in if we? lose to USC. Remotely possible if we only barely lose to UW and Michigan loses to Buck.
USC is in a good, but tenuous spot, at 10-2. They won't get in if Michigan beats Buck. Good thing that never happens.
The fallout from OU beating Bama is that it is all but certain 5 teams from the SEC are getting in. Two of these must happen to prevent 5 SEC 2 loss teams: Auburn beating Bama Mizzou beating OU, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt.
With 5 SEC, at most 3 B1G, that leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Big12, and Notre Dame.
ND is in.
So, that leaves only the ACC and Big12 champs. But what if Texas Tech loses to BYU in the Big12 championship? History says the committe won't penalize TT. But who gets bumped? Utah is also looming at #12-13 and is hot.
Add the fact that the ACC champ will be a horrible team (GT, UVa, or possibly SMU), and a few to several deserving teams are going to get the shaft.
The rage from fanbases such as Miami, which beat ND yet has zero realistic chance to get in, or any number of 2-loss teams outside the top 11, will be special.
Punch line: the rules will change next year.
Last year, Oregon got the raw sausage with seeding, so they changed it.
This year, too many legit teams will be left out so that JMU and a shitty ACC school can take 2 DEI spots such that the pressure to expand will take this to 16 teams.
If they automatic qualifiers remain, then I think 16 is the sweet spot under the current conference alignments.
Thank you for your attention.

OTOH, if the first round sucks as bad as it did last season, how can an argument for expansion be taken seriously? Does anybody actually want to watch #16 at #1 in the first round?

Greed is the only reason they will expand! The tv networks need to recoup their massive payouts to each team/conference.
On the other hand, I’d rather watch a 16 game playoff than 2/3 of the 50 bowl games each year.
Edit: Go Trojans!