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Higher salary than DeBoer last year for a guy with a losing record who never played football. Stellar.
Copy-pasta circa 2011 pro-Sark threads, you don't understand the damage Ty DeBoer did to recruiting. (All access Judson 😉)
Sark>Gilby>Judson>Ty.
Doogman lite around here. Lulz, Reach arounds for all, anticipating the next title run sometime circa 2057.
Foolish me for lurking around the boreds.
 
I don't think anyone didn't want Deboer to stay. The discussions about his terrible recruiting are separate conversations that get misconstrued imo
 
We got fucked and ended up having to overpay for a guy who was doing a nice job in the Pac-12. Did you know Mark Stoops makes 9 million at Kentucky though? Holy shit, he's a top 10 paid coach in college football and his conference record is 28-62
 
WoolleyDoog said:
We got fucked and ended up having to overpay for a guy who was doing a nice job in the Pac-12. Did you know Mark Stoops makes 9 million at Kentucky though? Holy shit, he's a top 10 paid coach in college football and his conference record is 28-62
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I’ve had UK fans ask “but who can we get that’s better?” when I said UK needs to fire him.
The disconnect between their football expectations and basketball expectations is night and day.
 
there’s some nuance in all of this.

Race, et al are correct. Fats was ostensibly a better game day coach. The players played for him and seemed to believe in him. Hard to deny he was a winner even b4 Penix.
but he had Penix, who was a killer at the most important position, and the best WR collection UW has ever had, to win several close games. He also had some Peterman defensive recruits.
But, DeBoer never had sphincter problems in the big moments, which his team picked up on.
I think DeBoer himself was a killer. IMO.
I do recall there being some complaints that DeBoer wasn’t an ace recruiter. But he could’ve turned out like Pete, who also had complaints here about his recruiting until the NFL production started to manifest itself. So, jury was still out on DeBoer. Not here long enough to know.

Many things can be true at the same time. It’s weird but that’s the way it is.
 
creepycoug said:
there’s some nuance in all of this.

Race, et al are correct. Fats was ostensibly a better game day coach. The players played for him and seemed to believe in him. Hard to deny he was a winner even b4 Penix.
but he had Penix, who was a killer at the most important position, and the best WR collection UW has ever had, to win several close games. He also had some Peterman defensive recruits.
But, DeBoer never had sphincter problems in the big moments, which his team picked up on.
I think DeBoer himself was a killer. IMO.
I do recall there being some complaints that DeBoer wasn’t an ace recruiter. But he could’ve turned out like Pete, who also had complaints here about his recruiting until the NFL production started to manifest itself. So, jury was still out on DeBoer. Not here long enough to know.

Many things can be true at the same time. It’s weird but that’s the way it is.
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As I said on the podcast, after Penn State Fisch was like "Do you think we could come back here next year and get a win. No, I can't say that."
DeBoer said early and often, "I don't ever want to put a limit into these guys' minds what they're capable of achieving this season."
That offers a glimpse into the difference between Fats and the Tennis Player Car Salesman.
 
DerekJohnson said:
creepycoug said:
there’s some nuance in all of this.

Race, et al are correct. Fats was ostensibly a better game day coach. The players played for him and seemed to believe in him. Hard to deny he was a winner even b4 Penix.
but he had Penix, who was a killer at the most important position, and the best WR collection UW has ever had, to win several close games. He also had some Peterman defensive recruits.
But, DeBoer never had sphincter problems in the big moments, which his team picked up on.
I think DeBoer himself was a killer. IMO.
I do recall there being some complaints that DeBoer wasn’t an ace recruiter. But he could’ve turned out like Pete, who also had complaints here about his recruiting until the NFL production started to manifest itself. So, jury was still out on DeBoer. Not here long enough to know.

Many things can be true at the same time. It’s weird but that’s the way it is.
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As I said on the podcast, after Penn State Fisch was like "Do you think we could come back here next year and get a win. No, I can't say that."
DeBoer said early and often, "I don't ever want to put a limit into these guys' minds what they're capable of achieving this season."
That offers a glimpse into the difference between Fats and the Tennis Player Car Salesman.
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that quote was definitely concerning. things losers say.
 
If Fisch isn't good, Chun (who didn't hire him) could pull the plug after Year 2. If Purdue just did it, so can UW.
But without an NIL budget of at least $15 million, it will be difficult to beat the teams that have 2x the NIL / recruiting budget UW does. From what I understand, UW's NIL budget is $10 million and the biggest budgets are $20 million or more.
 
HFNY said:
If Fisch isn't good, Chun (who didn't hire him) could pull the plug after Year 2. If Purdue just did it, so can UW.
But without an NIL budget of at least $15 million, it will be difficult to beat the teams that have 2x the NIL / recruiting budget UW does. From what I understand, UW's NIL budget is $10 million and the biggest budgets are $20 million or more.
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Now that we openly look at college football's uncapped payrolls like we do major league baseball's, why do the colleges even need to be involved? The NFL can afford a developmental league.
 
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HHusky said:
HFNY said:
If Fisch isn't good, Chun (who didn't hire him) could pull the plug after Year 2. If Purdue just did it, so can UW.
But without an NIL budget of at least $15 million, it will be difficult to beat the teams that have 2x the NIL / recruiting budget UW does. From what I understand, UW's NIL budget is $10 million and the biggest budgets are $20 million or more.
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Now that we openly look at college football's uncapped payrolls like we do major league baseball's, why do the colleges even need to be involved? The NFL can afford a developmental league.
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Brand. Used to hate the word, but it's the word that drives economis and cfb has brand based on history. The Eugene Mustangs and the Montlake Marauders are going to be as meaningful as XFL teams, whose fanbases are always fringe.
 
HHusky said:
HFNY said:
If Fisch isn't good, Chun (who didn't hire him) could pull the plug after Year 2. If Purdue just did it, so can UW.
But without an NIL budget of at least $15 million, it will be difficult to beat the teams that have 2x the NIL / recruiting budget UW does. From what I understand, UW's NIL budget is $10 million and the biggest budgets are $20 million or more.
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Now that we openly look at college football's uncapped payrolls like we do major league baseball's, why do the colleges even need to be involved? The NFL can afford a developmental league.
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Because no one cares about 19 year old 270 pound left tackles and won't watch. College football has more grass roots connection to its fans than any other sport.

This is also the reason I believe the schools should have told the kids to play for free or go find a non existent development league to play in 5 or 6 years ago. The NFL can't even pay practice sqwaaad guys so they have no interest in paying for the blinged out 5* Florida WRs to wash out after 3 years after costing the league half a mil.

Ultimately cfb has no need for the "elite" players that are driving the NIL craze. Take out the top 100 players from each class and the product doesn't change. The NCAA (the schools) let the train get away from them
 
creepycoug said:
there’s some nuance in all of this.

Race, et al are correct. Fats was ostensibly a better game day coach. The players played for him and seemed to believe in him. Hard to deny he was a winner even b4 Penix.
but he had Penix, who was a killer at the most important position, and the best WR collection UW has ever had, to win several close games. He also had some Peterman defensive recruits.
But, DeBoer never had sphincter problems in the big moments, which his team picked up on.
I think DeBoer himself was a killer. IMO.
I do recall there being some complaints that DeBoer wasn’t an ace recruiter. But he could’ve turned out like Pete, who also had complaints here about his recruiting until the NFL production started to manifest itself. So, jury was still out on DeBoer. Not here long enough to know.

Many things can be true at the same time. It’s weird but that’s the way it is.
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I just saw a stat that the Seahawks are +39 points in the last 2:00 min of any half. That’s 1st in the NFL. We’re seeing a Grubbless, Penixless product at Bama and it’s, shall we say…DeDogshit?🤷‍♂️
 
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