Mario Cristobal looking to finalize Pac-12's No. 1 recruiting class

[GrundleStiltzkin]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

I guess I’m too new to know that. Either way, Jimmy will get the best class regardless of ranking system next year

Recruiting stars are not the Kelvin scale. Jimmy should pick the ranking that makes the best pitch to croots.

ATBS, ESPN rankings suck.

 

[bananasnblondes]

UW was ranked higher by 247.
Oregon was ranked higher by Rivals.
ESPN rankings are absolutely useless.

 

[PandaOrangeChiknDuck]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

 

[PandaOrangeChiknDuck]

UW was ranked higher by 247.
Oregon was ranked higher by Rivals.
ESPN rankings are absolutely useless.

Half natties for everyone!!

 

[creepycoug]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

I guess I’m too new to know that. Either way, Jimmy will get the best class regardless of ranking system next year

Screen shots taken.

 

[dnc]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

 

[IPukeOregonGrellow]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

 

[DugtheDoog]

Read this article yesterday and it just reminded me how shitty UW is at marketing. The narrative for the last 2 cycles and referenced during the season by the national media is what a recruiting juggernaut Oregon has become. Every fucking article talking about the SEC stealing west coast recruits names Oregon as an exception and UW as a much lesser player (if we?re mentioned at all).

It is essentially spoken into existence. The casual football observer in Iowa doesn't know shit about west coast recruiting but they do "know" that with SC being down, Oregon is virtually taking everyone they want and Cristobal is some recruiting savant.

If Herbie says so, it must be true. Perception is reality. Water is wet. Oregon is one big marketing machine. And we? can't differentiate our? own head from our ass in that department. It pisses me off because the recruiting perception isn't true, and it's really our? own fucking fault. I'm going to dig into the #s so this is pretty fucking dry, but I'm curious to actually compare the recent classes.

Obviously as has been stated, this year's class is splitting hairs in the composite with Oregon 12 and UW 16. But on 247 UW has the #14 class vs uo at 16. Both schools signed 22 and though the quacks have higher per player avg with .8964 vs .8886, those numbers are skewed because of 2 ST players UW took (247 ranks based on projections into NFL draft and since STs players rarely if ever get drafted, their grades are reflectively shitty. Our LS and P respectively are graded. 74 and. 78. By comparison uo's lowest player is. 86. UW's lowest non ST guy is. 85). So f you take out those 2 outliers, I calculate UW's avg for position players is. 902, higher than the quacks. And while they have 3 guys in the top 50 or so, those are the only 3 in the top247. Our? Dawgs have 9.

Last year, again, Oregon got all the FREE Pub!!1i!i11!! with the top pac12 class in composite as well as 247 but once again that was splitting hairs, as 247 had Oregon 9th overall and UW 10th. Which was due to the quacks signing 1 more player; Dawgs actually had a higher per player avg (. 9008 to. 9004) and more players in the top247 with 10 against uo's 7.

And just to go back 4 full classes to get an overall idea of talent ranking within the programs at the moment...

2018, Oregon was 13 in composite to UW 16 due again to class size but we? had a higher per player ranking (90.21 to 89.18). And in just 247 rankings, Dawgs were 13th with quacks 17th. UW also had a significant advantage in per player avg with. 9045 to. 8829 as well as top247 players with 9 vs 6.

2017, Oregon was 19 in composite with UW at 22 due to taking 7 more players but UW had 9 4stars/9 3stars vs 5/20 and a higher per player with 88.45 to 87.24. Finally, in 247 rankings, quacks were 18 and Dawgs 22nd with UW holding an. 8822 to. 8664 per player advantage, as well as in top247 players with 6 to 4.

And yes, I know I just wasted an hour and a half on this shit. But it gets lonely in ma's basement and I'm still waiting on her dinner so fuck off!

This basically just confirmed what I already knew but UW is too fucking incompetent to make the public aware of: that this Oregon talent disparity/recruiting behemoth compared to all the leftovers out west is a myth and if you go by 247 rankings, which you should, UW has the better talent, even in the last 2 Epic!!!11!! classes for Cristobal. Now it's time to show it on the field.

Bottom line: both programs are significantly upgrading their talent level and recruiting better than they have in recent memory. And I don't expect us? to compete with Phil Knight in the marketing department any time soon. But I'm fucking sick of Oregon capitalizing on their momentum via the national perception while UW is right in the same realm... yet either too conceited or incompetent to show off its big metaphorical cock and seemingly content with being perceived nationally as 'at least we're not small.'

FYFMFUWADFJCFE!

 

[DerekJohnson]

After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?

Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips

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Does this count as half an offseason title?

Considering we? quit recruiting before the offseason began, I'm gonna go with no.

True, Jimmy's focus in the offseason was hiring Donovan and finishing 2nd for Costello.

 

[MontlakeDon]

Read this article yesterday and it just reminded me how shitty UW is at marketing. The narrative for the last 2 cycles and referenced during the season by the national media is what a recruiting juggernaut Oregon has become. Every fucking article talking about the SEC stealing west coast recruits names Oregon as an exception and UW as a much lesser player (if we?re mentioned at all).

It is essentially spoken into existence. The casual football observer in Iowa doesn't know shit about west coast recruiting but they do "know" that with SC being down, Oregon is virtually taking everyone they want and Cristobal is some recruiting savant.

If Herbie says so, it must be true. Perception is reality. Water is wet. Oregon is one big marketing machine. And we? can't differentiate our? own head from our ass in that department. It pisses me off because the recruiting perception isn't true, and it's really our? own fucking fault. I'm going to dig into the #s so this is pretty fucking dry, but I'm curious to actually compare the recent classes.

Obviously as has been stated, this year's class is splitting hairs in the composite with Oregon 12 and UW 16. But on 247 UW has the #14 class vs uo at 16. Both schools signed 22 and though the quacks have higher per player avg with .8964 vs .8886, those numbers are skewed because of 2 ST players UW took (247 ranks based on projections into NFL draft and since STs players rarely if ever get drafted, their grades are reflectively shitty. Our LS and P respectively are graded. 74 and. 78. By comparison uo's lowest player is. 86. UW's lowest non ST guy is. 85). So f you take out those 2 outliers, I calculate UW's avg for position players is. 902, higher than the quacks. And while they have 3 guys in the top 50 or so, those are the only 3 in the top247. Our? Dawgs have 9.

Last year, again, Oregon got all the FREE Pub!!1i!i11!! with the top pac12 class in composite as well as 247 but once again that was splitting hairs, as 247 had Oregon 9th overall and UW 10th. Which was due to the quacks signing 1 more player; Dawgs actually had a higher per player avg (. 9008 to. 9004) and more players in the top247 with 10 against uo's 7.

And just to go back 4 full classes to get an overall idea of talent ranking within the programs at the moment...

2018, Oregon was 13 in composite to UW 16 due again to class size but we? had a higher per player ranking (90.21 to 89.18). And in just 247 rankings, Dawgs were 13th with quacks 17th. UW also had a significant advantage in per player avg with. 9045 to. 8829 as well as top247 players with 9 vs 6.

2017, Oregon was 19 in composite with UW at 22 due to taking 7 more players but UW had 9 4stars/9 3stars vs 5/20 and a higher per player with 88.45 to 87.24. Finally, in 247 rankings, quacks were 18 and Dawgs 22nd with UW holding an. 8822 to. 8664 per player advantage, as well as in top247 players with 6 to 4.

And yes, I know I just wasted an hour and a half on this shit. But it gets lonely in ma's basement and I'm still waiting on her dinner so fuck off!

This basically just confirmed what I already knew but UW is too fucking incompetent to make the public aware of: that this Oregon talent disparity/recruiting behemoth compared to all the leftovers out west is a myth and if you go by 247 rankings, which you should, UW has the better talent, even in the last 2 Epic!!!11!! classes for Cristobal. Now it's time to show it on the field.

Bottom line: both programs are significantly upgrading their talent level and recruiting better than they have in recent memory. And I don't expect us? to compete with Phil Knight in the marketing department any time soon. But I'm fucking sick of Oregon capitalizing on their momentum via the national perception while UW is right in the same realm... yet either too conceited or incompetent to show off its big metaphorical cock and seemingly content with being perceived nationally as 'at least we're not small.'

FYFMFUWADFJCFE!

If we went 10-2 and win the Rose bowl they’d say the same about us. Oregon was also trash a couple years ago so there is a starker contrast . At this point we need wins

 

[Meek]

one thing I expect is that when the ESPN car wash thingy starts up again and they are forced to spend a 1/2 episode or something acknolweding the Pac12 exists that Jimmy will make a dramatically bigger and, finally, a positive impact with ESPN so hopefully he'll end that bad mojo stretch where ESPN is mad at UW for Pete. We might get mentioned on College Football Live next season as long as we don't Owen.

 

[RatherBeBrewing]

Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.

 

[dnc]

Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.

Average rating per recruit is the best metric.

It's not necessary when both teams sign the same number of kids.

Actually the very best metric is average rating per recruit minus special teams kids, but that requires actual maff and not just clicking a website.

 

[dnc]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.

 

[DugtheDoog]

Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.

Bruh, I broke it down in a variety of different ways and tried to simply lay out the numbers to show that, if anything, it's pretty fucking even.

Though feel free to show me where I ever said that any school's class was "better" than another. Please. Saying one team ranked higher, 14th than another, 16th makes no judgements re: one being better than another. It's called using fucking math to say 14 is a higher ranking than 16. Hth.

And @MontlakeDon, I agree with your premise in theory but last year we were coming off a rose bowl season and Oregon was coming off a season comparable to uws this past season under Eason, with a thrilling 7-6 victory in the cheezit bowl. And the narrative was Oregon is lapping every P12 team in TBSing. Then every preseason prediction rag mentioned oregons recruiting clsss as a major reason why they were ranking them where they were, as if they weren't returning basically every key player.

I just don't think this perception would be nearly as prevalent if UW had actually cared to beat their chest a little bit. It's really not that fucking hard and doesn't require a 200ft mural in times square to accomplish.

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower[/b] they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.

With or without the P and LS?

 

[dnc]

Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower[/b] they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.

With or without the P and LS?

Last I looked the punter was upgraded to a three star but the LS definitely was not.

 

[FireCohen]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.

@DoogCourics are you going to allow this racism and bullying to go on?

 

[DoogCourics]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.

@DoogCourics are you going to allow this racism and bullying to go on?

Seems to me Smas still has a composite 5* on his profile, step back over the line DNC!

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[IPukeOregonGrellow]

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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.

It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.

If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.

Honk em.

You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?

The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.

I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.

I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.

My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.

If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.

The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.

All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.

I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.

I think Smalls and Noah Sewell are roughly the same thing. High upside, moderate floor. Not as safe of bet as Flowe. But an 81% chance there? elite.

Flipside of the coin, I take Butterfield over Garbers every day of the week that ends in-y for the simple reason of I'll take the QB with a rocket launcher for an arm over someone Browning-esq.

At the same time, the huge difference between the two is Sewell and Garbers went to the Opening and balled out this year, where Smalls said no thanks and Butterfield showed up at the Oakland one for about five minutes and basically said "That's not what I want to do with my summer" to the notion of competing in the Elite 11.

247 only rankings basically overstate what Biggins sees at the Opening. Rivals rankings do the same for the Rivals camps. ESPN post-Tom Lemming tends to overstate measurables (JR Waters was an ESPN four-star last year, for example). Put them all together in composite and each of these flaws gets lessened.