Haie's OFFICIAL Blazer hot talk thread

[haie]

Listening to Cowherd he thinks Portland needs to deal Dame to put people around someone named 'Scoot'

"Portland's only won 4 series in 8 years!"

Yeah but 2 of those came in one year in a finals run that ended to the Warriors. They were 1/1 against the Nuggets although it's looking like Chauncey is a major downgrade from Stotts.

Also, I guess Charlotte fans (?) were booing them for not taking this 'Scoot' kid. But it seems like Portland would be better off with a wing like Miller. This is another redundant guard.

Portland's attempt at getting Bam is dead now? Thank Christ. Maybe they should actually offload Dame but but it's better for business to keep him.

Dame the GM has been way shittier than Lebron the GM.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

Franchise going nowhere. OKC is in a better spot than them.

 

[haie]

Franchise going nowhere. OKC is in a better spot than them.

If they do end up just going young with Simons, Sharpe, Scoot, Thybulle (you need defensive guys like that Philly was dumb to deal him), Grant and then use Lillard to get a usable center and some useful pieces, that's pretty much what a small market NBA team needs to go do to hit a window of contention. I don't know if their top picks will work out, but that is what Seattle did before they moved the team and OKC benefited from it.

OKC is one of the best run teams in the league, the way they've been able to rebuild while still contending is pretty much unmatched. The Gonzaga kid could end up being a huge injury prone bust though.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

 

[RaceBannon]

Denver is the first western conference team not in Texas or California to win the title since the Sonics

Bleached Anus makes a good point

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

Denver is the first western conference team not in Texas or California to win the title since the Sonics

Bleached Anus makes a good point

Unlike the rest of you fags, Bleached Anus doesn't need to go running to Google to look up facts and debate sports. Stick to your Seinfeld jokes and lemon parties while Bleached Anus brings the facts and has sex with your wives.

That's my best Pup.

 

[haie]

Before Toronto won it that had seemed like a franchise I never thought would get a ring. Their star was sent there essentially as punishment.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

Before Toronto won it that had seemed like a franchise I never thought would get a ring. Their star was sent there essentially as punishment.

And he promptly left for LA.

 

[AtomicDawg]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

 

[Tequilla]

Anybody that considers themselves a UW person but also has an interest in the Blazers is fucktarded

 

[haie]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

Allegedly Jodi isn't as stingy as you would be led to believe, but the GM isn't very good. Probably the real thing Dame is thinking about here.

 

[haie]

Anybody that considers themselves a UW person but also has an interest in the Blazers is fucktarded

"UW person"



Rip City baby

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

Milwaukee led by a foreign-born star.

It doesn't matter if Portland has owners who will spend or not. Players don't want to go there to play. You see how quick Kawhi left Toronto for LA after winning the title? There is no way for small market teams to sustain winning except the narrow examples I provided earlier.

 

[AtomicDawg]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

Milwaukee led by a foreign-born star.

It doesn't matter if Portland has owners who will spend or not. Players don't want to go there to play. You see how quick Kawhi left Toronto for LA after winning the title? There is no way for small market teams to sustain winning except the narrow examples I provided earlier.

Like when they have a top 5 player. That's the point. Denver, San Antonio and Milwaukee have done it. Even Cleveland which is was a an odd scenario but there's not a worse destination outside of okc probably in the league. San Antonio has done it with basically three separate iterations. Milwaukee and Denver may very well add a title or two. You're right they won't get a generational player through free agency though.

 

[AtomicDawg]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

Allegedly Jodi isn't as stingy as you would be led to believe, but the GM isn't very good. Probably the real thing Dame is thinking about here.

GM drafted well in his first draft with Sharpe. Scoot may turn out to be great.

I think if Paul were alive they capitalize on some of the dumps (KP, Collins, Beale). Whether that is directly or being involved in a 3 way to gain assets. The org has their dick in their hands and I think that has more to do with the Vulcans and Jodi. JMO.

 

[haie]

OKC hasn't won anything for all the brains they have, and never will because they're a small-market team. Same problem Portland has. Nobody willingly goes to places like OKC and Portland. Those teams aren't willing/able to pay the luxury tax to afford a championship roster. Dame is a passive-aggressive coward and moron for not forcing a trade 3-4 years ago. A nice run to the conference semis every handful of years would is a nice accomplishment for either team.

Seattle is getting an NBA team in 3-4 years. I don't see the Seattle market being much more of a draw than Portland is to the NBA elite players. There are no longer many opportunities to land big free agent superstars on the open market, ala Shaq to LA back in the day, because of how the collective bargaining agreement is structured to allow the home team to drastically overpay to keep guys on their roster. Of course, what happens 99% of the time (Dame being the exception) is that the home-grown superstar signs the deal for their bag of cash, then promptly forces their way out 1-2 years later (Zion will be next if he stays on the court this coming season).

NBA is a league of guys who want to play in Florida, California, Texas, and maybe NY if the ownership groups get their shit together or change. Denver and San Antonio are outliers because they landed superstar players in Duncan and Jokic who are not in it for the glamour and ego. Wembanyama seems like he might be cut from the same cloth as those guys.

Silver lining for the small market teams is that half of the league's best, young players are foreign-born and seem to have different loyalties than the American kids who are about their brand, agents, etc, first. If Portland had landed Jokic instead of Nurkic they would have a title by now. Imagine having him and Dame, two of the only loyal guys of their caliber in the entire league.

Milwaukee and Toronto also recently won. Nothing to do with market size. If you don't have a top 5 player you're not winning it. Only outlier I can think of since the 70's would be some of the pistons teams and the last spurs team that won with old guys and young kawaii.

Pdx never had a problem spending when Paul was alive and if they would sell to uncle Phil that could happen again. Jodi is worthless.

Allegedly Jodi isn't as stingy as you would be led to believe, but the GM isn't very good. Probably the real thing Dame is thinking about here.

GM drafted well in his first draft with Sharpe. Scoot may turn out to be great.

I think if Paul were alive they capitalize on some of the dumps (KP, Collins, Beale). Whether that is directly or being involved in a 3 way to gain assets. The org has their dick in their hands and I think that has more to do with the Vulcans and Jodi. JMO.

It's just something I read somewhere. She isn't saying no to the amount of money they want to spend, and who they want to try and acquire. So it's up to that promoted assistant GM and Dame to not fuck it up at this point.

Even more concerning than the GM is that Dame wants to play with his buddies: Jeremy Grant, Bam. I'm not impressed with either of those players.

 

[greenblood]

Now that Lillard has requested a trade, Portland needs to go draft pick hunting. While four 1st rd picks would be ideal, I think Portland's best hope is to get 3 and a couple of veteran help and/or an expiring contract or two. In the end, it doesn't matter much, as nobody wants to live in Portland. Just burn the franchise down already, and move them to Vegas.

 

[haie]

Now that Lillard has requested a trade, Portland needs to go draft pick hunting. While four 1st rd picks would be ideal, I think Portland's best hope is to get 3 and a couple of veteran help and/or an expiring contract or two. In the end, it doesn't matter much, as nobody wants to live in Portland. Just burn the franchise down already, and move them to Vegas.

They can probably suck for one more year, get one more draft of high picks combined with what they'll get from Lillard, and then go forward with a young core. Get rid of Grant and Nurk as well although Nurk isn't going to get anything back. They're going to match for Thybulle which I also like. Eubanks as a backup center isn't the worst thing.

Simons, who has already made CJ expendable, Sharpe, Henderson and their next top picks have to completely bust out. No GM would give up on that for at least a few seasons.

End of the day, Dame + CJ didn't work and Collins was a bust due to injury. No real shame in that. They got Nurk for nothing and he didn't completely suck until after he snapped his leg. Aldridge leaving was a significant blow and he's stated publicly he regretted that. Spurs were an elite organization at the time.

Losing to Denver in 2021 and firing Stotts was the beginning. Need to get rid of Billups now.

 

[greenblood]

Now that Lillard has requested a trade, Portland needs to go draft pick hunting. While four 1st rd picks would be ideal, I think Portland's best hope is to get 3 and a couple of veteran help and/or an expiring contract or two. In the end, it doesn't matter much, as nobody wants to live in Portland. Just burn the franchise down already, and move them to Vegas.

They can probably suck for one more year, get one more draft of high picks combined with what they'll get from Lillard, and then go forward with a young core. Get rid of Grant and Nurk as well although Nurk isn't going to get anything back. They're going to match for Thybulle which I also like. Eubanks as a backup center isn't the worst thing.

Simons, who has already made CJ expendable, Sharpe, Henderson and their next top picks have to completely bust out. No GM would give up on that for at least a few seasons.

End of the day, Dame + CJ didn't work and Collins was a bust due to injury. No real shame in that. They got Nurk for nothing and he didn't completely suck until after he snapped his leg. Aldridge leaving was a significant blow and he's stated publicly he regretted that. Spurs were an elite organization at the time.

Losing to Denver in 2021 and firing Stotts was the beginning. Need to get rid of Billups now.

I agree Billups sucks.

Stotts' teams didn't play defense, but I think that can be blamed more on the GM than Stotts, as Stotts didn't have the personnel to play defense. Nurkic was great being so cheap, but in the end, I think Portland fell into mediocre purgatory. They were never in contention, but just good enough to make the playoffs or be at the back end of the lottery. The only way to get better was to tank or draw free agents. But no matter how beloved Lillard is around the league (which he is), no free agents wanted to play or live in Portland. I don't fucking blame them.

Lillard being as loyal as he was given the shit he's had around him since Aldridge left, is nothing short of incredible. You don't see that in sports today. Lillard will always be beloved by me for that reason, and why I'm rooting for them to find a contender for him, willing to give the Blazers some value. But Portland owes it to Lillard to find the best offer from an actual contender. Sending his ass anywhere but a contender would be shitty as fuck. Normally, I'd say who gives a shit about loyalty, and get the best deal. Not this time, Portland did this motherfucker dirty for years, they fucking owe him.

 

[Tequilla]

Now that Lillard has requested a trade, Portland needs to go draft pick hunting. While four 1st rd picks would be ideal, I think Portland's best hope is to get 3 and a couple of veteran help and/or an expiring contract or two. In the end, it doesn't matter much, as nobody wants to live in Portland. Just burn the franchise down already, and move them to Vegas.

They can probably suck for one more year, get one more draft of high picks combined with what they'll get from Lillard, and then go forward with a young core. Get rid of Grant and Nurk as well although Nurk isn't going to get anything back. They're going to match for Thybulle which I also like. Eubanks as a backup center isn't the worst thing.

Simons, who has already made CJ expendable, Sharpe, Henderson and their next top picks have to completely bust out. No GM would give up on that for at least a few seasons.

End of the day, Dame + CJ didn't work and Collins was a bust due to injury. No real shame in that. They got Nurk for nothing and he didn't completely suck until after he snapped his leg. Aldridge leaving was a significant blow and he's stated publicly he regretted that. Spurs were an elite organization at the time.

Losing to Denver in 2021 and firing Stotts was the beginning. Need to get rid of Billups now.

That Grant contract is going to be a difficult one to move ... I suspect that he received a premium on the deal because 1) Portland needed to resign him to have any chance with keeping Dame happy and 2) Grant's camp knew that and inflated their ask accordingly.

Nurk is a contract worse than getting nothing back for ... you'd likely need to attach an asset to get that contract off the books.

Thybulle is probably worth matching but the question I'd have is what's the match, what's the term, and if it doesn't match the timeline what type of asset can you get at the trade deadline for him? I'm not sure that you're getting more than a 2nd rounder back for him.

Best case scenario is that Portland is able to get the kind of assets and cap space to be able to think of competing for the playoffs in 3 years. Reality is that it's probably going to be 5 before they are any good.