Fire Pete Carroll

[dnc]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

 

[dnc]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216527742625361927?s=20

 

[dnc]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216527742625361927?s=20

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216531558464663552?s=20

 

[DerekJohnson]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216527742625361927?s=20

Convenient that you left out 2013 and 2014

 

[RoadDawg55]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216527742625361927?s=20

All those games were on the road in the playoffs. They aren’t only from not letting Russ rip it.

 

[Bob_C]

Yeah the whole narrative that it’s just Carrols fault is laughable. Russ has to play better in 1Hs regardless of what plays are called. It not like they are only runs being called.

 

[GreenRiverGatorz]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

 

[dnc]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

It's Pete's team, he's the boss, he hired Schneider, he sets the tone for what they want.

The OL issues are all on Pete's philosophy. He wants to run the ball so they select OL who can run block and not pass block.

Pete's the defensive coach but the defense has been very bad for a couple of years now.

Maybe the game hasn't passed him by but he has been unwilling to adapt to his personnel and still coaches like he has an elite defense when they aren't anything close to elite. He still coaches like he has a mediocre QB when he has a great one.

If he would build the team around it's greatest strength it would have a real shot.

He won't though.

 

[dnc]

Amazing coach. Inspiring man. Very grateful the Hawks hired him.

But the game has passed him by.

His refusal to play in the first half is predictable, boring, exhausting and killing this team.

Every year you keep Pete is a year you are wasting the prime of an inner circle HOF QB.

This is all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1216560907922239495?s=20

@FirePete

https://twitter.com/AaronQ13Fox/status/1216527742625361927?s=20

Convenient that you left out 2013 and 2014

It's not my Tweet.

The point is that they have the same gameplan in every playoff game whether on the road or at home and it flat out isn't working on the road.

The whole world knows exactly what Seattle will do in the first half. They make adjustments at halftime but the whole is too deep.

 

[dnc]

Yeah the whole narrative that it’s just Carrols fault is laughable. Russ has to play better in 1Hs regardless of what plays are called. It not like they are only runs being called.

Russ was fine in the first half. Pete doesn't want him to run in the first half which maybe makes sense in the regular season if you're trying to protect him but is incredibly stupid in a loser out game. Why would you that take away one of his best weapons?

He overthrew DK on the first drive, and had some terrible clock management on the last drive of the first half (which how much of that is him and how much is Pete is always debatable). He wasn't perfect but he would have been a lot better than 3 points if he was allowed to be.

I expected Russ to be a big problem in this game due to the cold. He wasn't. He played well enough to win.

Pete didn't coach well enough to win.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[GreenRiverGatorz]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

It's Pete's team, he's the boss, he hired Schneider, he sets the tone for what they want.

The OL issues are all on Pete's philosophy. He wants to run the ball so they select OL who can run block and not pass block.

Pete's the defensive coach but the defense has been very bad for a couple of years now.

Maybe the game hasn't passed him by but he has been unwilling to adapt to his personnel and still coaches like he has an elite defense when they aren't anything close to elite. He still coaches like he has a mediocre QB when he has a great one.

If he would build the team around it's greatest strength it would have a real shot.

He won't though.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Pete is Schneider's boss. AFAIK he doesn't have the ability to replace him (not that I'm advocating for that). I could absolutely be wrong though.

And I'm not opposed to dialing back Pete's personnel responsibilities. I also don't disagree with your criticism, I think that's what's preventing this team from being elite. But I'm not jumping anywhere near the #firepete bandwagon.

 

[dnc]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

It's Pete's team, he's the boss, he hired Schneider, he sets the tone for what they want.

The OL issues are all on Pete's philosophy. He wants to run the ball so they select OL who can run block and not pass block.

Pete's the defensive coach but the defense has been very bad for a couple of years now.

Maybe the game hasn't passed him by but he has been unwilling to adapt to his personnel and still coaches like he has an elite defense when they aren't anything close to elite. He still coaches like he has a mediocre QB when he has a great one.

If he would build the team around it's greatest strength it would have a real shot.

He won't though.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Pete is Schneider's boss. AFAIK he doesn't have the ability to replace him (not that I'm advocating for that). I could absolutely be wrong though.

And I'm not opposed to dialing back Pete's personnel responsibilities. I also don't disagree with your criticism, I think that's what's preventing this team from being elite. But I'm not jumping anywhere near the #firepete bandwagon.

Pete selected Schneider. I agree the flow chart is a bit muddy, especially since Paul Allen died. I'm not sure Pete could fire Schneider but I do know Pete is ultimately in charge. Schneider for sure couldn't fire Pete.

 

[rodmansrage]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

It's Pete's team, he's the boss, he hired Schneider, he sets the tone for what they want.

The OL issues are all on Pete's philosophy. He wants to run the ball so they select OL who can run block and not pass block.

Pete's the defensive coach but the defense has been very bad for a couple of years now.

Maybe the game hasn't passed him by but he has been unwilling to adapt to his personnel[/b] and still coaches like he has an elite defense when they aren't anything close to elite. He still coaches like he has a mediocre QB when he has a great one.

If he would build the team around it's greatest strength it would have a real shot.

He won't though.[/b]

yryk, pete wont change shit, he's a crotchety old man. why should he though? he's going to coach seattle for as long as he wants.

 

[Bob_C]

Is there an example of a coach that has won a Super Bowl and then won his second 8-9 years later? I can’t think of one. A few like Parcells and Gibbs got it 3-4 years later.

You win multiple in a short time or you are one and done according to history. Wilson is too good to let this continue.

 

[RaceBannon]

Is there an example of a coach that has won a Super Bowl and then won his second 8-9 years later? I can’t think of one. A few like Parcells and Gibbs got it 3-4 years later.

You win multiple in a short time or you are one and done according to history. Wilson is too good to let this continue.

Pats won three of four from 01 to 04

Won their next in 14

 

[Bob_C]

But they won multiple early. Did anyone win their second with that kind of gap?

 

[dnc]

But they won multiple early. Did anyone win their second with that kind of gap?

Can’t think of anyone. This is a really good point.

 

[RoadDawg55]

That's a silly cherry-picked stat. Why not use all road playoff games? There's absolutely an issue with Carroll's first half performances in road playoff games, so no need to twist it to make it look worse than it already is.

I also wouldn't say the game has passed him by. His ability to keep this team afloat after the mass attrition of 2017-2018 is pretty fucking impressive, and frankly I put more blame on Schneider's shoulders for consistent draft whiffs on the defense and offensive line (yes obviously Carroll played his own role in evaluating these guys) than Pete making in-game blunders.

It's Pete's team, he's the boss, he hired Schneider, he sets the tone for what they want.

The OL issues are all on Pete's philosophy. He wants to run the ball so they select OL who can run block and not pass block.

Pete's the defensive coach but the defense has been very bad for a couple of years now.

Maybe the game hasn't passed him by but he has been unwilling to adapt to his personnel and still coaches like he has an elite defense when they aren't anything close to elite. He still coaches like he has a mediocre QB when he has a great one.

If he would build the team around it's greatest strength it would have a real shot.

He won't though.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Pete is Schneider's boss. AFAIK he doesn't have the ability to replace him (not that I'm advocating for that). I could absolutely be wrong though.

And I'm not opposed to dialing back Pete's personnel responsibilities. I also don't disagree with your criticism, I think that's what's preventing this team from being elite. But I'm not jumping anywhere near the #firepete bandwagon.

Pete has final say on every roster move. Schneider just does the leg work.

 

[GreenRiverGatorz]

Is there an example of a coach that has won a Super Bowl and then won his second 8-9 years later? I can’t think of one. A few like Parcells and Gibbs got it 3-4 years later.

You win multiple in a short time or you are one and done according to history. Wilson is too good to let this continue.

The list of coaches who have won multiple Super Bowls is incredibly short. 13 to be exact. That's obviously somewhat your point, but trying to look for precedent in anything is a bit of a futile exercise. I wouldn't put money on any of Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, or shit, even Bill Belichick, winning another Super Bowl. Carroll is in that same boat. It's quite honestly the hardest thing to do in sports. Yet I wouldn't advocate replacing any of those guys.

 

[dnc]

Is there an example of a coach that has won a Super Bowl and then won his second 8-9 years later? I can’t think of one. A few like Parcells and Gibbs got it 3-4 years later.

You win multiple in a short time or you are one and done according to history. Wilson is too good to let this continue.

The list of coaches who have won multiple Super Bowls is incredibly short. 13 to be exact. That's obviously somewhat your point, but trying to look for precedent in anything is a bit of a futile exercise. I wouldn't put money on any of Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, or shit, even Bill Belichick, winning another Super Bowl. Carroll is in that same boat. It's quite honestly the hardest thing to do in sports. Yet I wouldn't advocate replacing any of those guys.

I'd replace Tomlin and Carroll and in a vacuum Payton but I'm not sure Brees would stick around for a new staff. If Brees wasn't on board I wouldn't fire Payton.

Good is often the enemy of great. Tomlin and Carroll have proven at this point they aren't great coaches anymore.