Comprehensive, 25-year list of every Husky football player who truly excelled as a true frosh.

Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.
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Congratulations. You officially know more about CFB than Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, Art Briles, Rick Neuheisel, and Pat Fitzgerald. Those are the morons who "wasted" the would-be true frosh brilliance of Winston, Mariota, Mannion, Petty, Hundley, and Siemian, respectively.

Damn, you're smart.
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Flagged for implying that Fisher, Riley, and Fitzgerald are good coaches.

Also, Neuheisel got himself fired for keeping Hundley redshirted.
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Why don't you hate @ArtBriles?????
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Bryce Petty redshirted because he was behind Griffin. He wasn't the number one guy until 2013, his RS-JR year.

Griffin started as a true freshman in 2008 because he was good enough to start. He redshirted 2009 because he tore his ACL.

You losers are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

Also, FREE PUB!!
 
Nope.

How about this: Name five QBs in the history of CFB who were worth a damn as true frosh.
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If the alternative is worse than the true frosh, are you suggesting playing the alternative anyway, just to save the RS?
 
If the alternative is worse than the true frosh, are you suggesting playing the alternative anyway, just to save the RS?
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In the rare, Reggie Williams or ASJ type scenario, go ahead and play the true frosh. But I think 90% of burned redshirts are a mistake. And that number might be closer to 100% when it comes to QBs and linemen. In the real world, true frosh at those positions just aren't better than the veterans they're displacing. And it fucks your depth chart down the road, as we've seen over and over.
 
If the alternative is worse than the true frosh, are you suggesting playing the alternative anyway, just to save the RS?
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In the rare, Reggie Williams or ASJ type scenario, go ahead and play the true frosh. But I think 90% of burned redshirts are a mistake. And that number might be closer to 100% when it comes to QBs and linemen. In the real world, true frosh at those positions just aren't better than the veterans they're displacing. And it fucks your depth chart down the road, as we've seen over and over.
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We agree here. If they aren't better, sit them.
 
The comparison is not between rs-frosh vs true frosh. It is between rs-frosh and true sophs. You are the only person on this bored that believes Baker and Jones and Dissly would have been equally prepared for 2015 had they red shirted last year vs actually playing last year.

Teams redshirt players because most true frosh are not good enough to earn playing time. Coach James redshirted nearly all of his frosh, yet the majority of his first round picks did not redshirt. Because they were really, really good.

The goal is to get a team that is so deep, few, if any, true frosh can crack the depth chart. And as Coach James showed, in the rare instances where the true frosh are good enough to crack the depth chart, you play them. If Browning emerges from fall camp as the best qb, play him. If Lindquist or ACS is the best, you play them.
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James had ten first-rounders. I count two who didn't redshirt.

Teams redshirt players because 19YO freshmen are stronger and execute better than 18YO freshmen; 23YO seniors are stronger and better than 22YO seniors.

Dissly. That's rich.
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Then you can't count.

Teams redshirt players because they cannot crack the depth chart as an 18 year old straight out of high school.

Martin and Marsh and Holmes and Kelly and Kaufman and Bruener were good enough to play at 17/18, so the they played. That's more than 2. Coach James could have redshirted Reggie too (recruited by Marv), because 23 year olds are so good, but he played him because he was good enough to play.
 
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Nope.

How about this: Name five QBs in the history of CFB who were worth a damn as true frosh.
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If the alternative is worse than the true frosh, are you suggesting playing the alternative anyway, just to save the RS?
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That is exactly what he is saying.

If only Manning had red shirted in 94, then he could have ended his career as the #1 overall draft pick, and Tennessee could have won the national title in 98.
 
Jerry is going full retard with this topic. We all "wish" we had a good QB and it was a guarantee Browning could redshirt. That would be ideal. Instead we have shit in front of him.
 
Nope.

How about this: Name five QBs in the history of CFB who were worth a damn as true frosh.
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Chad Henne, Matt Barkley, Brad Kayaa, Jamelle Holloway, Braxton Miller, Terrelle Pryor, and Josh Rosen.
 
The list is a spectacular shitshow. All that's missing is Jake Heaps and Ron Powlus. Which proves my point once more: Unless Browning has some unadvertised triple option skills, he needs to hold a clipboard for a year.
 
Did none of you doogs watch the spring thing? Browning isn't (yet) better than Lindy.
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Nobody is advocating for Browning to start unless he's the best in fall camp. Pretty simple shit Jerry.
 
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